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  No thing

  by A Paduan in

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  and without him was no-thing made that was made.

  i suppose an example of this is the watchtower god and the associated lies.. another example could be temptations.

  any ideas (real ones) ?.

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  and without Him was no-thing made that was made

  I suppose an example of this is the watchtower god and the associated lies.

  Another example could be temptations

  any ideas (real ones) ?
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  Some JW's will never see the light

  by Pwned in

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  i heard my father telling my sister that yesterday's watchtower study contained new information, ie 'new light'.

  the thing is he was excited about it, said it gave him goosebumps.

  how does that even make any sense?

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  Every one who drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst
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  Scriptural Proof/Support for the "New Light" doctrine?

  by brunnhilde in

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  so i've been thinking a lot about the whole new light thing - how exactly is that justified in the bible by the dubs?

  i can't remember anything other than the scripture they quote but there has to be more to it than that!

  if i'm having a total braincramp, sorry!

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  The light gets brighter when you move toward it - it's the same light

  "New light" is about 'a different light' - the old light didn't get brighter

  You can imagine that you can see a light when your eyes are closed - but it's hard to keep it up
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  The Unforgivable Sin

  by lfcviking in

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  i was browsing a section of the watchtower cd rom 2003 on a section to do with 'repentance' and this is what it said:.

  beyondrepentance.

  those practicing sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth have gone beyond the point of repentance, for they have rejected the very purpose for which gods son died and so have joined the ranks of those who sentenced him to death, in effect, impaling the son of god afresh for themselves and exposing him to public shame.

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  Well - I think they're kinda getting it - but from the wrong end of the stick

  Those ‘practicing sin willfully’ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth

  It's a state or way in being - to know the truth but refuse it and deny it - something the jws frequently practice to remain jws

  It's a spiritual thing - the spirit of the confused jw (or whoever else) controls the denial - being "head of the house" - and "a word" (not Jesus) that denies grace and truth (whoever speaks 'a word' against the Holy Spirit)

  men can be forgiven, and "the sons of men" - but your spirit, well..........
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  How far would they go?

  by barbar in

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  a while ago my mother said that if the society asked the jws to do something that was wrong they wouldn't do it.

  it is already easy for them to go against their own consciences, many don't feel it is right to shun others but they do it because they are told to.

  most would feel dreadful with letting their children die but would do it if blood was needed because the society tells them to.

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  The light would need to be progressively "brighter"

  It appears that people have died for wt policies (organs) that soon after were changed - now they die over transfusion therapy, and would allow their children to - if they managed to biblically spin other types of killing, I'm sure the r&f would justify it somehow - they don't seem to be perturbed by a genocide people 'not like them'.

  When you think about it, they've already declared allegiance to someone that they say will kill pretty much everyone except themselves.
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  Faith in God

  by A Paduan in

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  is "faith in god" a level of suspicion about existence ?

  i postulate that it is not.. it was put forward in a thread above that jws must have had some 'faith in an unseen deity', but i reflected that they must have simply had a notion regarding the existence of another power, and that faith in someone reflects a belief in the quality of another, not just a suspicion of quantity.. jws normally do not have faith in the deity described in scripture and hence, in a confused fear, work in the attempt to appease and be accepted, not only misunderstanding love in general but misrepresenting the same to others.

  the mandate for performance of works is a faith in the value of their own effort (and that there is likely a deity who is like a boss-man).. .

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  however they have faith in Gods earthly organization, and that stands as proof their faith is not in vain.

  I'm not following that - could you elaborate ?
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  Faith in God

  by A Paduan in

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  is "faith in god" a level of suspicion about existence ?

  i postulate that it is not.. it was put forward in a thread above that jws must have had some 'faith in an unseen deity', but i reflected that they must have simply had a notion regarding the existence of another power, and that faith in someone reflects a belief in the quality of another, not just a suspicion of quantity.. jws normally do not have faith in the deity described in scripture and hence, in a confused fear, work in the attempt to appease and be accepted, not only misunderstanding love in general but misrepresenting the same to others.

  the mandate for performance of works is a faith in the value of their own effort (and that there is likely a deity who is like a boss-man).. .

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  Faith without works indicates spiritual death - even the demons believe, and shudder
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  This is just so awesome, I have to share it!!!

  by zagor in

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  i was taking a break from this board but in a last few days there has been unexpected development in my own family.

  my mom is leaving wtbs!!!

  she apparently celebrated christmas with dad but even that was just a tip of the iceberg.

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  The Lords Table

  by evetteto in

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  i understand only the supposedly annointed are to partake of the sacrament during the memorial right?

  however, i 'd like to know if the plate is passed around to everyone?

  what if a visitor decides to partake of the lords flesh and blood?

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  cuz i plan to attend and to partake of the sacraments, for I am annointed of Christ!!

  Are they sacraments ? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Go to the local establishments for the socially needy - there you will find a spiritual feast - those who were blessed, broken and handed out to you.
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  Truth

  by thebiggestlie in

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  i imagine part of the draw of the jws is the fact that they claim to have all the answers and the ultimate truth.

  it's true they seen to on the outside provide many "answers" to many questions but now that i know these answers aren't the absolute truth that i once thought they were my mind is now open to a whole new world of ideas and theories and explanations.

  assuming that logically there is only one absolute truth in the universe (that in itself is a huge assumption but bare with me) then it is easy to get tied down and overwelmed by the shear volume of differing info and ideas available to mankind.

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  Truth is what is, what has been, and also what is going to be.

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  And without Him was nothing made that was made.